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] >> let me ask you a little bit about patrick moore. when you think that we can conceivably do tax reform without an agreement this tax code needs to raise? >> without an agreement, would it even make sense to try to do tax reform? >> by and large, no. there is a question about being revenue neutral and what neutrality would be and whether you could move around at things in that context. that is much harder to do. and once you start doing fundamental tax reform, what do you think? >> i think that sounds pretty good. so we can talk about this going forward. >> certainly okay, thank you. okay, let me try to be optimistic here. it's interesting that during the debate, and for a wild during the fiscal cliff debate, there was a discussion about support from across the aisle. bob, you think that is there anything that will be sparked from that discussion? >> my answer is no. the deductions are solutions that affect the middle class. they tend to be very popular. you know, everyone's for it in the abstract. the people want to bail out. you know, they are so far where they were before, they have
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